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Sequel? The Why and Why Nots

Hello all!
This something I've been mulling over from the time I heard the first rumor 'till now, and have come to this conclusion:

Should there, or should there Not be a Megamind sequel? And why?



In essence, a sequel is the continuation of a story; a "what happened next?". And in order for there to be a "next" there has to be something left off/out of the first story that's strong enough to build a story around.
For my example(s), I'm going to use the movie Shrek. It is (in my book) a perfect example of what works and doesn't work for sequels.

Take the first movie. The franchise is kicked off with interesting characters and a fun and adventurous story. It was a good story, told well.
Then came the sequel.
What made Shrek 2 work WAS NOT Shrek 2's story. The success of a sequel is dependent on the first film.

Think of the first film. You know all you need to about Shrek, where he comes from, why he is how he is, etc. Same with Donkey, albeit not as in depth since he was a supporting (comedy relief) character. But what about Fiona? All you really knew was about her "condition" and why she wanted to marry Lord Farquaad. It was all that you needed to know for the film so it was ok.
WHAT MADE THE SEQUEL WORK was what the first film left open (purposely or not):

After they get married, what of Fiona's parents? Would she just live happily ever after with Shrek in his swamp never to see them again? Surely they know of their daughter's rescue/marriage? Will they accept her as an ogre?
Because the FIRST movie has these "plot holes" you could say, a second could be fleshed out and be successful in CONTINUING the first.


Now does this mean I'm against a Megamind sequel? Far from it. I would love to see a continuation in the franchise (maybe some proper marketing next time).
What I'm concerned about is what there is left to tell. From what I see there wasn't really anything significant left open.
Roxanne, while you didn't learn too much about her pre-movie, you didn't need to. She's an average person who's only abnormality is getting kidnapped rather frequently. While it could (and has) make for some good fanfiction, it's hardly a strong enough foundation to build a sequel on.
Metro Man, I could see a movie made for, mainly because he's an interesting character and you really know nothing about him besides the fact that he saves the day.....and that's it. But still it wouldn't work because after you see him not-dead-but-alive in his hidey-hole, the movie leaves him, and his services are no longer needed. He's better left alone with his musical talent.

And then there's the Doom Syndicate. This is where the rest of my Shrek examples come in.
It's the obvious answer, and while I don't doubt it could make an ok movie, it would be a meek comparison to the first film and likely take away from it.

There's a commonly used tactic in sequels:
Characters story ark is at it's end, everyone's all happy, BUT THEN -insert whatever villain/problem- STRIKES! D: It's up to our favorite characters from -insert previous film- to solve the problem/save the day. Shove in some unnecessary family value and comedic high-jinks and BOOM
Movie time.

This doesn't always work. And I know they at first planned to use the Doom Syndicate in the first film, but it was cut because the people making the film realized even though they liked the Doom Syndicate, it wouldn't work. That doesn't necessarily mean to use that cut material somewhere else.
If you peel a potato, you don't eat the shavings later.


Think of Skrek the Third. After the first two films there wasn't anything left to tell, which is why it didn't work.
Or even better, Shrek Happily Never After. That faaaaailed so hard because there was NOT A THING for another movie. Proof that when a film doesn't need a continuation, the "commonly used tactic" doesn't make much more than an ok movie.



I'm not an expert on this subject, these are just my ramblings ^^;
Your thoughts?

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threequarterfox
Mar. 15th, 2011 06:08 am (UTC)
You want something that was left open in the first film?

Look no further than Metro Man... {cough} Music Man. Yep. There is a lot of openings there. Megamind, I will totally agree, is rather set right now, and I'd be BORED STIFF with a "this villain comes along and annoys him" story.

But... Metr-(whoops)Music Man...? I'm not so sure he's come to the end of his story yet. Hell, he doesn't even have a love interest. Reminds me of Buzz Lightyear after Toy Story 1.

Perhaps the next movie could be about him?
llamrei
Mar. 15th, 2011 06:59 am (UTC)
I love getting sequels. People always say "But what if it ruins the original?" and I don't get that. Nothing can ruin the original movie for me. If a sequel is bad, I ignore it. If a sequel is good, awesome, more material for characters I love.

But I liked Shrek 2 much much better than the first Shrek... so, who knows. I think part of that was that I don't actually like the character of Shrek, and I loved Puss. This is much the same thing that happened to me with Toy Story. I don't like the original Toy Story much at all, but I liked the second because of Jessie. I'm very character oriented, apparently.

I'm very excited for the HTTYD sequels, for instance, because it has the entire same team on board that did the first one. It seems to me with animated films that sequels often end up terrible partly because they completely switch writers/directors/actors in between. So that would be what would make me look forward more to a Megamind sequel: knowing that all the same people were on board. If they can provide that much delight for me once, I know I'll at least get some fun new stuff out of it.
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aurawind
Mar. 15th, 2011 11:53 am (UTC)
I absolutelly second your thoughts. It would be interesting to know more about Roxanne's parents... or the Warden and the prision uncles, for Megamind. If they could combine the two "families", we could get a very emotional sequel. If you add some of the secondary characters of the first movie, like Wayne, Bernard, etc... we can get some good jokes.
And Minion NEEDS a girlfriend. <3
patches365
Mar. 15th, 2011 11:24 am (UTC)
I think the end of the movie leaves a HUGE open-end for a sequel. The original film dealt with "what if the villain beats the hero?"

Well, now we have "what if the villain becomes the hero?" And go. What sorts of hurdles would he run into? Naturally not everyone's going to be happy with this setup, so he'd inevitably have to face someone - either a villain who wants to force him to turn back or a hero who doesn't buy his about-face - to kick off the conflict.
sevandor
Mar. 15th, 2011 02:36 pm (UTC)
Actually, the biggest villain Megamind has to face in his transition to hero is himself — and not metaphorically and simply as we got it in BoD. His habits, his instincts, his past history. All of that is real. So how do the creators really envision him going from villain/evil overlord to the point of the second museum opening, where he is accepted by the people he used to terrorize? Sure, they can oversimplify it and make the citizens of Metro utterly mindless and helpless sheep, but even to a kid's audience, this is something that could be made into a valuable story: how do you change your ways and get people who used to hate you to accept you, to look beyond prejudice, to eventually like you? It could be done, especially since Megs is an alien, and thus can take advantage of the SF disconnect, to say and do things that could not so easily be said and done with ordinary humans. Whether or not the Hollyweird writers could do it is another story.
innsmouth_eyes
Mar. 16th, 2011 04:59 am (UTC)
This is where my thoughts are going as well. I want to see how he does protecting the city instead of causing problems (and in BoD he was still just taking care of a problem he created so it's not quite crimefighting yet) but I really want to see how he adjusts to a totally different life. Does he really understand his wrongs and how to make it right? Is he still resentful and angry at how he was treated? How can he and Roxanne come to terms with their previously antagonistic relationship?

Somebody did a great fic which I believe they never finished regarding a hero syndicate that came after him for Metro Man's murder and Roxanne had to take up his villain mantle to find out where he was and get him back. I loved it but I can't find it anymore. I would love to see a sequel like that.

Plot bunny! A hero and a villain syndicate both set their sights on Megs and try to force him one way or the other. The villains want him to join up and play by the rules, and the heroes want to trip him up and reveal his still-wicked ways. Both sides are trying to determine if he can be trusted to do his job and he has to find his way through a web of lies to establish himself a a hero in the eyes of the city. Maybe the Doom Syndicate can play a role in this but I wouldn't want them taking center stage.
blkdragonqueen
Mar. 15th, 2011 11:30 am (UTC)
I don't know about the rest of the people here, but I would kind of hope for a squeal where their past comes back to bite them. You know, other survivors from their home planets or something? O.o? But that's just me. I'm dying to know more about their actual home planets and such!

... I'll shut up now. XP
aurawind
Mar. 15th, 2011 11:54 am (UTC)
hey, I believe THAT would be awesome. Totally awesome! 8D
margoteve
Mar. 15th, 2011 05:19 pm (UTC)
I like the 'their past comes back to bite them' part, but more in the way that Megamind was the villain, and since he was one there's no possible way that he gets a 'go'. For example something that he did as a villain has its effects in his new hero life. Or Roxannes parents, or Metro Man/Music Man career... I mean there's a lot of plot holes that could be good for a sequel, although I'm not a sequels fan, it's still interesting to see what DW might do with it. And knowing more about Megamind's and Metro Man's home planets would be great (but I think they won't touch this subject).
megapotterhead
Mar. 15th, 2011 05:51 pm (UTC)
Well, I personally love this idea, and it IS a big hole left that goes unanswered, but the problem would be making it actually seem believable that some of their race could have escaped. In the movie, mere seconds after Megamind's pod leaves the planet, it is sucked into the black hole, so if one baby barely had time to get out of the atmosphere, how could a whole bunch of adults get free? Metro Man's planet would be more likely because it was farther away from the black hole than Megs' planet was. I do love this idea though!
joanhello
Mar. 15th, 2011 08:03 pm (UTC)
Back in the days when there was a Soviet Union and people used to worry about nuclear war all the time the way they worry about global climate change now, analyses of the effects of an all-out nuclear exchange (where both sides threw all the bombs they had) took into account the fact that, at any given time, there are between 20,000 and 100,000 people aloft in airplanes, and the pilots could basically save civilization by flying to someplace out of the way of the moving clouds of fallout. Similarly, both Megamind's and Metro Man's home planets were already familiar with interstellar travel and would have had people off-planet in starships when the black hole opened. If some of them were at the edge of the affected area, they might have gotten away in time.
innsmouth_eyes
Mar. 16th, 2011 05:09 am (UTC)
Then there's the fact that a spacefaring race could probably establish colonies on other planets and some of them at least would still be around (much like the Vulcans) so there's a good chance they'll come looking for their wayward son at some point. And probably wonder why he wants to hang out on a backwater planet full of dunces.
metal_equine
Mar. 15th, 2011 05:48 pm (UTC)
I'd rather put my vote forth for a series than (a) fullblown movie sequel(s). To me, that would make the most sense, because then you can take all of those litte questions and deal with them one at a time and not worry that you'd have to stretch them too thin over the runtime of a regular movie.
xenafox
Mar. 15th, 2011 06:58 pm (UTC)
I think there are totally openings for a GOOD sequel. ...Although I think everyone has said what I want to say xD

Although, I don't really have a problem with "evil shows up and our heroes from the first save the day!" I think it could be pulled off really well, with the Doom Syndicate, or other fallen aliens or etc etc.

All the strange things Megs has created leaves room for fun as well xD
mentalguru
Mar. 15th, 2011 10:00 pm (UTC)
The only real sequel idea I could originally think of is the whole metroman issue and the fact people still think megamind murdered him (to be FAIR, the fact he attempted it in the first place of course makes little difference perhaps in terms of morality, but still, it could really cause problems in a way) but given the fact it seems the people have already forgiven him and all in terms of the city...

Though I do wonder if say Megamind would still run into problems with regards the whole deal later even if he's technically in my eyes doing extreme community service to begin with and the museum is after he's more than paid most of it off legally. Personally in my head canon Metroman's parents are dead through some random ass criminal with a grudge (through them not being bright enough to suggest a secret identity to him as a younger kid, before it was too late to hide it- no-one was going to forget a kid like him in a hurry, especially from such a rich family). But what about other heroes, will they accept megamind? I could see some of them being wary. In the superhero world sometimes it can seem like status quo is God and Megamind is a parody of the entire idea and the silver age I believe- the normal people (or at least those in the background) are pretty idiotic for instance for the most part and metroman was treated like nothing he could do was bad by the people because of 'pre-assigned roles'. The only person who 'hated' him was the villian at that stage. But the movie did a good thing at poking that old idea and twisting it. Many comics have more depth to them now (as do some shows- like Justice League/Justice League Unlimited) but still in general in a world which is somewhat a parody of that original shallow idea- could conflict arise? I mean things actually CHANGED. The hero is 'dead' so to speak and the villian is now the hero. Will metroman be discovered? And whether other heroes or villians do or do not find out the truth there is possibilities for drama there if they wanted to go in that direction.

Of course sequels can go wrong whether the original team are on it or not (and the team would be unlikely to be the same right down to the last person). The person in charge might be the same though if it ever happens. Sometimes fresh looks can even be better than the original teams though, it all depends really- after all especially in group decisions it can be hard to pinpoint certain ideas as you bounce them off people and suggestions are made.

Also if a guy in the audience of the second museum opening thinks 'wait, where have I seen you before' when he's in a trench coat and all I do think its possible metro/musicman will be caught out. I mean he wants a career in music which is very public. If the guy wanted to be an author or something like that or something on the written word he could probably hide more easily. Still, he's pretty likely to fail at it- but heck what if he goes on American idol or something weird? Someone may very well at least say how similar he looks at least if anything.

"You look so like him... what with the body structure, facial structure, the big M you're wearing on your... wait a second."

Maybe Megamind can make him his own watch or something I don't even know.

But then again in the movie the regular people are kind of... stupid. So maybe not. But people do seem a bit afraid of megamind even in the second museum scene.

There's still possible issues megamind could face as well as some unanswered questions I suppose but in the end I'd prefer no sequel to a bad one all the same. It really all depends though I think I'd like to see one and it could be possible. We'll just have to wait and see I guess.
pitbulllady
Mar. 15th, 2011 10:56 pm (UTC)
I might be the only one who really does NOT want to see a "Megamind vs. Another Bunch of Aliens", since basically we've already seen too many tv series/movies/whatevers in which some hero conquers a bunch of nasty invaders from another planet, and that includes those in which said hero was of extraterrestrial origins...anyone remember the original tv series, "V"?

I'd honestly love to see what transpired between Tighten's defeat and the opening of that museum, since it would have indeed been a period of several months. How is Megamind cleared of murder charges, for instance? What role does Metroman play in that? How does Megamind deal with his own inner demons while trying to gain the trust of that public he has terrorized and just plain aggravated for so long, as well as handling the prejudices that are going to be against him no matter what he's done, simply because of what he IS and how he LOOKS? What IF one of his "uncles", someone he looked up to in the past, really becomes a major threat, and he has to deal with that threat? How will he handle the inevitable failures, now that he has a very different sort of image to uphold? Will he and Wayne ever become friends and possibly team up in some way? And most of all, how will the relationship between him and Roxanne play out? How will it progress from affectionate hugs to something a whole lot more, and what will HER role be in helping him to make that transition from villain to hero? What about her parents-how will THEY deal with the fact that their daughter is dating a guy who is not only an ex-con, but the very guy who used to kidnap her on a frequent basis, not to mention the fact that he's not exactly a native of Michigan? All these things open up a whole world of possibilities in and of themselves, with plenty of fodder for a really good sequel, if not a great one.

pitbulllady
innsmouth_eyes
Mar. 16th, 2011 05:17 am (UTC)
I love the idea of him dealing with the prisoners he grew up with. They're kind of his only fans for a long time and they won't all be really happy to see him go straight. Especially if he just forgets about them now that he's a bigshot.
pitbulllady
Mar. 16th, 2011 10:02 am (UTC)
Well, in the "rulebook" of the streets and prisons, going straight, as you say, would make him a "snitch"-a traiter, one of the lowest things someone can be accused of. No, those "uncles" and other affiliates from prison will NOT be happy. You can bet that they'd target him and anyone close to him, that some will try to use whatever rapport they had with Megz in the past to gain the upper hand, really testing just how much of a change he's undergone.

One the things that sets Megamind apart from the typical "superhero" is his creativity and intellect, something some of the fanfic writers have really captured. He's got the crime-solving abilities of Sherlock Holmes, with his own DNA lab, PLUS, in keeping with the old saying, "it takes a thief to catch a thief", he's got insider experience in the criminal mind and knows many of the criminals first-hand. This gives him an edge over even his former rival when it comes to crime fighting, and on top of that, there is bound to still be enough lingering fear of him to keep a lot of people in line.

pitbulllady
(Anonymous)
Apr. 5th, 2011 04:01 am (UTC)
Great idea for a sequel.
Well I liked the movie so much I wrote a sequelto it. I am a writter myself no best selllers or any kind of publishing for that matter but I thought of this. Megamind and Roxanned have a child. A boy who for some strange reason he gets angry and chooses to be bad. But some other ideas are what is Megaminds real name. Did his planet rally get destroyed? Tons of things to put together a sequel.
(Anonymous)
Apr. 9th, 2011 08:58 pm (UTC)
Risky Sequals
It's been a long time since I've seen a really great sequal, but there have been some decent ones. Shrek two is a good example. That was a valid plot hole that was plugged and handled pretty well.

Megamind has a lot of questions to answer at the end. For one, what IS his real name? We know Metro Man is Wayne Scott, but Megamind never gets a name. Fanfictions have come up with some really creative ones from Mykaal to Syx to Blue, but an honest answer from the writers is most welcome.

Also, it's a good point that all his problems so far as a hero were his fault. Having a new villian come to town would make a great story, as long as it had engaging subplots and character development. Expecially if he knew the villain (like one of his "uncles") or he sympathized with him (Syndrome anyone? Rejected as a kid, his only power is his brain and he makes great inventions...).

There is also the whole kidnapping thing. With a new villian, semi-permanent like Megamind was or not, will Megamind now have to face the whole "kidnapped girlfriend" thing from the other side? Not only that, but he has not one friend/partner on his side for the taking, but two. He would probably be devastated if Roxanne was kidnapped, but what would happen is someone kidnapped Minion? Despite being a space fish, Minion seemed to be able to keep a low profile in the movie, always staying out of jail to help his master escape. He also keeps everything clean, working and he makes a lot of the things Megamind designs like the watch and the defuser gun. Now that he's the hero, Minion would probably be seen in public more often. Wouldn't Megamind be pretty helpless, in a way, without his best friend/the-one-who-keeps-things-working?

Just some thoughts. I really should make an account here if this obsession lasts much longer...
taki_pyra
May. 8th, 2011 12:09 am (UTC)
Re: Risky Sequals
I thought about how minion kept out of jail. Technically he was also a criminal as much as megamind was because Minion aided Megamind in his plans and escapes from prison. These should have been worthy of a prison sentence.

But how would the court explain why they were trying to incarcerate a fish?

Technically they shouldn't have been able to keep Megamind in the prison either as he wasn't really a citizen of anywhere on the planet.

If he landed in australia I'm sure they'd be sent to one of those refugee processing centres on Christmas Island, then they'd try to deport him to the moon when he persued his villian career.
Helena Rose Kirsch
Aug. 25th, 2011 05:41 am (UTC)
Megamind Sequel Idea
My idea was that, in the beginning of the movie, they have a wedding scene between Megamind and Roxanne (I'm a sap) and then a five years later thing happens. They just have a baby (who they name Megamind Jr.) and on an aniversarry vacation, Tighten breaks out of jail, and gets help from a jealous Brainbot to not only get his powers back, but use the disguise device to get the citizens of Metrosity to hate him again. Then Roxanne has to leave Megs for a short time. All the other ideas are great, too, like Roxanne's parents and former visitors from his home planet.
But, Megamind is my favourite movie in the world, and I almost cry everytime it ends, so I want another movie to put in my DVD player!!!
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